[7], Under Network Rail, all stations are formally in public hands since 2014, but only 20 (mainly large termini and central stations) are managed directly by it. No.31271 in Railfreight "triple grey" livery with Construction sector markings. Not too dissimilar to the old Northern logo arrangement. They were repainted into blue/grey in the early 1970s. In 1964, as part of a plan to develop a new corporate image for British Railways, a number of experiments were tried; Discussions on the livery for British Railways coaching stock in 1948 eventually settled on a network-wide two-tone livery of crimson and cream for corridor coaches, with all-over crimson being used for local, non-corridor stock. I just see the thing as extremely surface level. You also get a more legible and cohesive transport system. The train is operated by the Steam Dreams Rail Co. Mayflower built in 1948, is one of two surviving B1 Class locomotives and painted in distinctive British Railways apple green livery. [8][9], A fortnight before the WilliamsShapps Plan for Rail was unveiled, the Department for Transport gave notice of a 6.5million contract for Deloitte up to February 2023 as its "strategic change delivery partner: rail reform programme". I quite like that version; I think I might like it even more if the black and the red were blue instead though. Then theres the question of livery. 19th September, 2019. Standing on the sidelines of national politics and shouting is just what capital-U Unionism does now. Regional divisions will manage concession contracts, stations, infrastructure, and local and regional budgets, integrate track and train, and integrate rail with local transport services. Bare minimum, low effort. As part of this work, the team engaged with industry through a formal call for evidence. Old does not necessarily = bad. Free delivery for many products! This included many of the features which were later incorporated in the Mark 2, and trialled in an experimental train designated XP64. Theres no vote in Northern Ireland for him or his Conservative party so he doesnt care, hes hands off.. It will replace Network Rail as the operator of rail infrastructure across all of Great Britain (excluding some Valley Lines in Wales and some Merseyrail lines). Class 01 01002 inside Holyhead Breakwater shed in early black livery. I never knew I had OCD until that remark lol. Within a period of 10 years, HSTs had three different liveries. Railfreight livery, a colour scheme specifically for freight locomotives, was unveiled when Class 58 58001 drove through a plastic screen at Doncaster Works on 9 December 1982. Feb 1, 2020. Do you think we should use different colours for regions like we sort of have now, https://twitter.com/_doublearrow/status/1455113527954493474/photo/1. It does because it's public perception. Due to the consequent muddle of liveries, many trains began to get an untidy if not tatty appearance which added to the run-down image of the railway. The pleasure's all mine. The livery derived its nickname from a perceived resemblance to the internal appearance of a Jaffa Cake. Privacy Noticeand Website Accessibility. | Page 27 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. In 1956 an all-over darker maroon, which more closely resembled the pre-nationalisation LMS livery, was re-introduced, except for the Southern Region, where locomotive-hauled stock was generally painted 'coaching stock' green (from July 1956-on) and a small number of express carriages on the Western Region which were in traditional GWR-style chocolate and cream. But the move still opens up some possibilities which Michael Gove and the rest of the Governments Union strategy team should consider. [14] By 16 March (the deadline for submitting expressions of interest), 42 towns and cities had expressed an interest in hosting GBR's headquarters. Search for a trade mark - Intellectual Property Office (ipo.gov.uk), https://twitter.com/MrTimDunn/status/912009372292780033, Somewhere along the West Anglia Main Line. Judging from the signage and station painting they will choose something somewhere between boring and ugly, and we will be stuck with it everywhere, for ages. Compared to the superb branding packages of TfW and ScotRail, it does not say "come use the railway . What is of 2020s Britain then? This grey panel finished just short of the end of the coach leaving a small amount of Rail Blue which then continued round onto the end of the coach. It would appear that were going to be waiting a while even for the new logo, and that given the recent nature of the franchise liveries, that new liveries are a very long way off. Coaches from different regions could also often find themselves coupled together and trains of 2 or 3 mixed liveries were not uncommon. Question for the designers. But Beatties second charge is more interesting. 1 Pre-corporate liveries 2 Early liveries 2.1 Coaching stock from 1948 2.2 The second phase 2.3 XP64 3 Rail Blue 3.1 Locomotives 3.2 Coaches and multiple units 3.3 Local variations 4 Moving away from Rail Blue 5 Sectorisation 5.1 InterCity 5.2 Network SouthEast 5.3 Regional Railways 5.4 Rail Express Systems 5.5 Railfreight Pre-corporate liveries White letters on a navy background is the way to go. Correct. The Class 309 units worked between Liverpool Street and Clacton, occasionally also to Ipswich and Norwich and later upon transfer saw the livery briefly appear around Manchester and Birmingham. OK, it's not a big change, but Germany tends to do rebrandings very infrequently. This isn't true, there have been subtle changes. Unfortunately, there is little sign that Beattie actually intends to do anything differently, in this regard at least, to the Democratic Unionists he hopes to supplant. I think you are mixing up ownership with some form of ideological uniformity. I don't see what's wrong with Rail Alphabet which is rather older than the 1980s - to be frank the branding shouts 60s, a period of branding I personally like but obviously that *is* personal - although you could just use Frutiger to keep the tie in with the other large national service, the NHS ( who used to use Rail Alphabet too ). The Transport Secretary announced on 19 October 2022 that the Transport Bill which would have set up GBR would not go ahead in the current parliamentary session.[2]. into flashy advertising campaigns, the appearance of the showrooms (and their digital counterpart, the website), and the styling of their vehicles? The livery was applied only to some Class 309 "Clacton" units on the former Eastern Region and to a few of Classes 411 (4Cep), 419 (MLV) and 421 (4Cig) on the former Southern Region. A bit like this but without the fuzzy outline on the text and double arrow (caused by MS Paint's paint bucket tool): Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I had a play around with this, and I agree, it looks. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Variants to the national brand will be developed to refect the English regions, Scotland and Wales, while emphasising that the railway is one network serving the whole of Great Britain. The British Isles is a the collection of European islands consisting of Great Britain, the island of Ireland, Isle of Man and the northern islands that are part of Scotland. This has been confirmed by records held at the National Railway Museum. And the more I see RA2 and its symbols, the more clumsy it looks. A throwback to the 70s and 80s can sometimes work, but not often, but I think. Different NSE style local/commuter networks round the country. Last week Doug Beattie, the newly-installed leader of the Ulster Unionist Party, hit out at Boris Johnson. Livery Guide Great Western Railways/British Railway Western Region. But do we really want to go back to that? It appears that while the plan is to brand all trains under GBR with one branding, that plan involves a much longer time scale: People are understandably sceptical about the frequent rebranding of trains and stations carried out under the privatised system, so the branding will be introduced alongside other improvements. Thanks. Here is some variants of my original 'swallow inspired' design. though we may have to wait for a new govt for that to happen. . I don't think the red understripe would appear though, and there will still be calls from TfGM, WYCA TfWM, TfW, etc. No.90021 in revised Railfreight "triple grey" livery, with Railfreight Distribution sector markings. The bottom one is basically Serco era Northern signage, and does look good to me, though I would go for a subtle double arrow in the bottom right as I said earlier, and omit the GBR text. The coaches for the XP64 train were painted in a slightly lighter version of what would eventually become Rail Blue, with a 44-inch-wide (1,100mm) Pale Ivory stripe centred on the passenger windows, and brown underframe. British Railways coaches in the crimson and cream livery used from 1949 Discussions on the livery for British Railways coaching stock in 1948 eventually settled on a network-wide two-tone livery of crimson and cream for corridor coaches, with all-over crimson being used for local, non-corridor stock. How about that but the double arrow in red? I think in Germany it is done by using the "TOC" name in place of IC etc. The United Kingdom is defined clearly on the passport .. the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; Im unsure about the livery as such, but if Great British Railways is taken forward, Id expect GBR to feature. Thats a bit like saying everything has been invented, no need for anything more. GBR will be made up of five regional divisions, organised in line with Network Rail's Putting Passengers First programme. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Originally running from 1923 until 1948 when it became British Railway, LNER returned to the route of famous for the Flying Scotsman in 2018 when the . The new British Rail "double arrow" symbol on locomotives (or leading vehicle as was the case on multiple unit stock) and the vehicle number and other ancillary markings written in the Rail Alphabet typeface were other integral parts of the livery. I'm working on building a GBR brand from the ground up for the next few days (my calendar is completely empty), starting with a logo. But such an approach offers a bleak long-term outlook for the UK. That's a different argument (which I disagee with but that's not for this thread). There is surely a case at least for putting the cross-border inter-city services in national colours (perhaps an updated take on Network SouthEast), to match the saltires splashed all over Scotrail trains. A later version added a red stripe along the lower edge of the locomotive bodyside. What possible negatives are there to none enthusiasts? He branded the Prime Minister an English nationalist, who was prepared to ignore Northern Ireland as the Conservatives have no electoral stake in the Province. It isnt hard to believe that there may be some truth to the suggestion that Johnson would be less cavalier in his treatment of Ulster if it returned even a handful of Government MPs. This error in colour identification comes from an article and question published in a Model Railway Magazine in the 1950s, where the responding editor made the error, and it has frequently been repeated since then. I do also like the theory that these regions they mention will be named after old railway companies. It may not display this or other websites correctly. the handling/liability of pensions etc. Dedicated station management teams will be created within regional divisions of GBR to manage stations and land. In many ways having a 'Railway System' logo (the double arrow) for stations/journey planners but a different logo so people know the train is a 'big' intercity train or a 'small' stopping train is very helpful. This style of livery was also used by CSX Transportation. European paint code RAL5020 ("Ocean Blue") is a good match to Rail Blue. Messages: 1,398. for some form of co-branding. Although from the mid-1960s to the 1980s the organisation was associated with "Rail Blue", a number of other schemes were also used, especially when it was split into operating units or "sectors" in the mid-1980s. I would rather that operations were branded similar to how they are now, but with a few changes compared with the existing TOC areas as follows: Chiltern Railways renamed as Chiltern & Oxbridge, with brand used on all planned EWR services in addition to those from London Marylebone. [4] This was referred to as the InterCity Executive livery as the sets used were dedicated to operating morning/evening services operated for businesspeople. After contacting GBRTT (Transition Team), I have been informed of their intention to create a new livery. The BR that believed in having multiple liveries and brands? RM 2A03J14 - Sittingbourne, Kent, UK. There have also been subtle font changes. British Railways was formed in 1948, it was divided into geographical regions loosely based on the pre-war Big Four company areas, Scotland became a region on its own and the former LNER area was divided into North Eastern and Eastern Regions. Goodbye. I think there would be huge advantages of a standard livery and branding across the Britain, in saving money and presenting a unified product to the customer. [7]. In 1986 the British Railways Board divided its operations into a number of sectors (sectorisation).The sector responsible for long-distance express trains assumed the brand-name . BR's first standard locomotive liveries, adopted from 1949 onwards. The Southern Region types worked mostly on the Charing Cross / Cannon Street - Hastings via Battle / Dover and Ramsgate routes and on the Victoria / London Bridge - Brighton / Littlehampton / Hastings via Eastbourne routes. The text won't be centred vertically with the logo. Particularly if they are just vinyls on white painted trains. Great Northern split, with the Moorgate services becoming part of the London Overground brand and the Kings Lynn route becoming part of the LNER brand. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. It's only as complicated as you want it to be. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. It'll be operated quite differently. "Great" means "large", not "very good". The devolved administrations, the combined authorities, and the Greater London Authority will continue to exercise their current powers, such as setting fares and awarding contracts, and will remain democratically accountable for this. Once we lose TOC branding I certainly think service categories need to return, if only on the Dutch basis of them only describing service patterns rather than anything else. There was a return of some regional schemes: the Western Region turned out some Mk1 sets for named expresses in chocolate/cream, similar to that used by the GWR before nationalisation. In May 2022, the Government announced proposed legislation to modernise rail services and improve reliability for passengers. [5] As Rail Blue was introduced, the last locomotive recorded as being outshopped in a previous livery was Class 43 D838 Rapid which left Swindon Works in August 1968 in maroon. We need more national institutions to give a British shape to life, and GBR should be one of them. Introduced originally by the Great Western Railway, the Travelling Post Office would set out from London in the dead of night and deliver . The British Railway official livery for meat & fish vans (and other stock which normally travelled in passenger trains) was originally crimson with yellow lettering. Not so much the modern LNER though. Copyright 2023 Great British Railways Transition Team. For Station signage that is supposed to be functional and informative above all else, I don't see too much wrong with this. Or do you think TfL should change their look away from using the current font simply because it's been that way since the 1930s or whenever? The standard livery for most British Railways steam locomotives was black, often with a thin red, cream and grey "lining" (trim), while express passenger locomotives were not painted "Brunswick Green" (Which was the former colour of the Great Western Railway) as is often stated, but were painted in British Standards: BS224 "Deep Bronze Green" also known as "Land Rover Deep Bronze Green LR001" with orange and black lining. I suspect not many. The government has promised to base the organisation outside London to promote economic growth and skills in a region beyond the capital. 3,609. thomalex said: One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. Originally a trading brand of the Railway Executive of the British Transport . You are using an out of date browser. The creation of Great British Railways (GBR) has been dubbed as the end to "a quarter-century of fragmentation" and a means to provide "accountable national leadership". All HS2 and NPR services to be branded as Intercity Express. It will become a single familiar brand with a bold new vision for passengers - of punctual services, simpler tickets. If only we were to see a coherent joined up livery scheme to run nationwide like the picture above , however I rather suspect this will not be the case. With the reorganisation of British Railways in the mid-1960s, a complete break with the past was signalled by the introduction of a blue and grey livery which dominated all passenger rolling stock until the mid-1980s, when a new Intercity livery (dark grey and beige with a red and white waistband) was introduced along with a number of regional colour schemes. A commonly mistake to make, but one that can easily upset the locals! On 10 June 1986, British Rail launched Network SouthEast, an organisation designed to cut across the traditional regional boundaries and deliver a co-ordinated train service for London and the surrounding region. I could see those different types of logos being used across scenarios. InterCity (or, in the earliest days, the hyphenated Inter-City) was introduced by British Rail in 1966 as a brand-name for its long-haul express passenger services (see British Rail brand names for a full history).. When British Rail operations were divided into sectors in the mid-1980s, prior to privatisation, a new version of the Railfreight livery emerged giving the sectors individual identities. Because it was a nationalised industry run by the British Government. The current lot is an absolute mess. [15], Originally scheduled for May 2022,[14] a shortlist consisting Birmingham, Crewe, Derby, Doncaster, Newcastle upon Tyne, and York was announced in July 2022,[16] using the following criteria: alignment with "levelling up" objectives; connected and easy to get to; opportunities for GBR; railway heritage and links to the network; value for money; and public support. Something will need to be kept open for Open Access Operators to be distinguished. It is known as Great because it is the largest island in the British Isles, and houses the countries of England, Scotland and Wales within its shores. It's the name of the island ffs. It may not display this or other websites correctly. For example, GWRs London to Bristol, Penzance, Cardiff, Oxford etc might be wrapped up with a GBR Express or GBR Intercity, but the GWR commuter/regional services under a different brand name. There are conflicting view on Britain versus Great Britain. This competition aimed to identify a place with a rich railway heritage, strong links to the national network and significant public support, while creating a great opportunity to promote the location as the proud home for the start of a new era in Britains railways. The signs look good, if a bit bland and functional. From 1974, some DMU sets, after being refurbished, were painted white with a wide blue band under the windows and full yellow ends. Boris Johnson has announced that Britain is to have a new public rail operator, Great British Railways (GBR), in the biggest shake-up of the country's trains since privatisation a quarter. Heh. I am confident I could design a better package in a few hours, and I am not a design professional. Wrap yourself up in the flag and sing rule Brittania. This includes transport, with the first Union Connectivity Review being published earlier this year. 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